C.E. - Vietnamese Immigrants in the U.S.

[Gregory Hewett]

January 23, 2008

Vietnam Agrees to the Return of Deportees From the U.S.
By JULIA PRESTON

American immigration authorities reached an agreement on Tuesday with Vietnam that clears the way for Vietnamese immigrants under deportation orders to be sent back to their country.

Under a memorandum of understanding signed in Hanoi, Vietnam agreed to accept the return of those Vietnamese immigrants ordered deported by the United States, many of whom are convicted criminals, said Kelly A. Nantel, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a federal agency. Until now, Vietnam had generally refused to issue travel documents for the deportees.

The agreement immediately affects about 1,500 Vietnamese immigrants who came to the United States after diplomatic relations with Vietnam were restored on July 12, 1995, Ms. Nantel said. The head of the agency, Julie L. Myers, was in Hanoi on Tuesday to sign the memorandum, which takes effect in 60 days and will last for five years.

“This agreement allows us to carry out a judge’s order to remove individuals from our country in a safe and humane manner,” Ms. Myers said.

The agreement culminated 10 years of negotiations between the two countries, Ms. Nantel said. In all, about 8,000 Vietnamese immigrants in the United States are in deportation proceedings or have received final orders to be deported, Ms. Nantel said. Of those, she said, about 7,000 have criminal convictions, including some 4,500 Vietnamese convicted of aggravated felonies.

Only about 200 Vietnamese immigrants slated for deportation are in the custody of immigration authorities, Ms. Nantel said. Because of a Supreme Court ruling in 2001, the authorities have released immigrants under deportation orders after six months in detention if their countries would not accept them.

United States officials agreed to pay for the deportations of Vietnamese, officials said, and to provide 15 days’ notice to the Vietnamese government before carrying out a deportation.

Doua Thor, executive director of the Southeast Asia Resource Action Center, an advocacy group in Washington, called the pact “alarming news.” She said many Vietnamese immigrants facing deportation had hoped to resolve their legal cases and to be able to stay in the United States.

About one million people born in Vietnam are the fifth-largest national immigrant group in the United States, according to 2007 census figures. About 69 percent of them are naturalized citizens.

[rikke]

My opinion to this current event is that I think it is fair that the United States are sending the immigrants from Vietnam back to their country, and I also think that they have the right to do it in some ways.
Furthermore I also think that Vietnam did they right thing by agreeing, because it is people from their country, so the people who immigrated to the US from Vietnam still have the right to come back to Vietnam.
To highlight this, I think in some ways it isn’t fair for the people there is getting send back even though they are criminals most of them, because I mean they immigrated to the Untied States to get a better life, and because of this they might loose everything, and also they are forced in some way to go back to where they started, which is sad.

In this article, US and Vietnam are basically talking about this issue, and how many people it is, and how almost all of them are criminals, and also how the United States will pay for the deportation to Vietnam. Furthermore they are basically making an agreement, and discussing about who is doing what, and taking place in what.

This article are connected to other events too, I mean it is not only US there want to send the Vietnamese back, it is also other countries like the United States, there want to send for example illegal immigrants back to their country.

-Why is it that US are sending the Vietnamese people back to their country, why can’t they let them stay?
-What is the reason for the Vietnamese immigrants being criminals?
-How do the Vietnamese people take it, when they get the news that they have to go back to their country?
-Do you think they can do anything about it?
-What are the people going back to? Their old lives, or are they starting a new one in their country?
- Will they still be poor? And will they still be criminals?

I think what might happened after they come back to their country, many of them will have a hard time, to find a job again, and to get a living going, and others it might come a little more easy to hopefully, but for many of them it is going to be really hard, also for their children and wife, if they went with them to the United States.

[jayanth23]

This article talks about the new agreement made by Vietnam and the United States. This new agreement states that illegal Vietnamese immigrants found in the US are now approved of being deported back to Vietnam. In the article it stated that this agreement has been prolonged for 10 years and has finally come to an end. Interestingly 87% of those immigrants are convicted criminals looking for a better life. With this new agreement signed 8,000 Vietnamese are being deported back home.

I am confused about why the Vietnamese did not want their immigrants back to their country. Are not they fellow country men? An idea which came to me was that, i do not suspect whole families going there at one. Mostly the men will go their to find work, usually the 3D jobs. They could send money back home. This does improve the countries economy. But since they are only 8,000 people it doesn't make much sense. Another which came to my mind was that since these people are going wouldn't influence thousands of other people. That is when my pervious idea could ascertain as true.

I really feel that these people should be given an opportunity to stay in the country if they like since they are already on american soil. The immigration authorities should concentrate more on avoiding people to go to US instead of getting them back. I don't see any threat of them being there and if they are any tribulations then and then only should they be sent back.

[pyeonchan]

As the immigration to U.S. increases, the conflicts also increase. Perhaps one problem that the immigrants make is a crime. As like as this article says, a lot of Vietnamese immigrants in U.S. are convicted whether they have been convicted by the illegal immigration or not. It might be not restricted to the group of Vietnamese but all groups of illegal immigrants.


Because these immigrants committed a crime, the deportation of the immigrants may be fair decision of U.S. government. However, I cannot understand why the Vietnamese government put off the negotiation day to day. They have the responsibility to take their people to their nation if people make a variety of conflicts or problems in the country where these people immigrated. Since U.S. and Vietnam have established a good relationship after the end of the war in Vietnam, the decisive actions of the Vietnamese government might help to their relationship with the United States. Even though the Vietnamese government considered their economic situations to make the deportees to work again, the concrete relations with the United States might be more helpful to the economy of Vietnam.


There is a question that I came up with. Why does the U.S. government make the access of immigration narrower rather than make it broader? Even now, there are a lot of illegal immigrants who cross the border between U.S. and Mexico to work and get a higher salary. A lot of Asian illegal immigrants smuggle through the Pacific Ocean to work in U.S. The U.S. seems to need the immigrant workers from the developing nations to maintain their strong industries. With the extension of the access of legal immigration, the number of illegal immigrants will decrease, in my opinion. Then the crime rates of the immigrants will be sharply reduced. Why does the U.S. government keep the door so narrow?


With the agreement between U.S. and Vietnam on the deportees, the U.S. government will keep negotiation with other developing nations to send the deportees to their country. Perhaps several countries will conclude similar agreements with U.S. on the issue of deportees. I hope that these negotiations will come up with the satisfactory outcomes for all nations.

[yeeun]

26.01.08- Class discussion format
Vietnamese Immigrants in the U.S

Summary
: On Tuesday, 23rd January, Vietnam decided to accept the deported Vietnamese immigrants, by the U.S., and they made an agreement about this promise with America in Hanoi. The reason this issue gets more eyes from the world is because Vietnam has refused to accept and blocked these illegal, Vietnamese, immigrants if they tried to come back. So because Vietnam did not take them back, and the U.S. knew that these people had no place to go, ten out of ten, the U.Ss has kept these people in their country. –Further, when they found these people they put them under a detention for about six months, but not more than that because of the order they got from the U.S. Supreme Court. Anyway, though this agreement solved a little problem that U.S. has with illegal immigrants, it is big questions that how will the Vietnamese government handle the numbers of poor, unskilled and even criminal people after they accept them. (The cost that takes to send these people back to their own country is paid by U.S.)

My comments on this event

After reading this shore research, I could think about three different questions.
1) Why does Vietnam suddenly decide to accept their people, staying illegally in America, back?
2) After the six months detention on the illegal Vietnamese immigrants, what is their life like in America? Is it better paid than when they were in Vietnam, and produces more chances for them to earn, as they hung their lives for entering the U.S.
3) What kind of life and treatment these illegal immigrants will get in Vietnam after they go back?

When I finished reading this article, there were so many questions that passed through my head, but there were not many things that I could answer by myself. But, the biggest question I really want to get a clear answer from this event is the third question I wrote above. I think, they have built their ways of living in America for several years, though they are illegal, but now, it sounds like breaking their life style and pattern. Further, for them, it is not so clear whether they can get a job or not in Vietnam; they will be treated more like a betrayer than one citizen, and instead of a protected citizenship, they will have some kinds of invisible citizenship which is different from others so the reason why they are separated from the society.

Further, according to my research about this event, I could find how these illegal immigrants are treated in America. In America, ten out of ten, illegal Vietnam immigrants are grouped as an asylum seeker, and because of the illegal way they entered America, they are sold and sent to somewhere in America or to the other countries. By the way, my question in here is how the government will punish the people who sent and used these immigrants? Though the world is focusing on how Vietnam will handle these people, it seems like not many people are aware of the unfair treatment they have had for last ten years. Though it is true that they are illegal immigrants, like the U.S. Supreme Court reduced the detention on them, if people consider about their human right and the hard situations and hunger they hand in Vietnam, I think they cannot be just blamed as a problem of this situation. I think the reason these kinds of illegal immigrants are increasing in number is because there are people and jobs that hire them. Therefore, unless they do not catch the employers, I think it is not a fair way of handling this event.

[sujata]

This event is about how the US is deporting a whole bunch of Vietnamese immigrants, and sending them back home to Vietnam. The fact that Vietnam wouldn’t issue travel permission until today doesn’t make sense, because these immigrants have the right to return to Vietnam whenever they want if they are Vietnamese citizens. Although America wants to get rid of these illegal immigrants, they are also losing a lot of labor in the country like house and construction workers.

This event directly affects the immigrants that are being deported, as well as the governments of the United States and Vietnam because a lot of paper work, legal documents and funds would be required to deport these Vietnamese citizens. For the workers, they are probably going to make a lot less money as compared to the US back home in Vietnam, since they will be paid Vietnamese wages, which could harm their families, like cut down food supplies and also stop children from being educated, depending on how poor they are. This could mean less educated employees in the future for Vietnam. It also affects Vietnam’s economy because the money that was coming in from the US won’t be coming in there anymore, because the workers will be working for a Vietnamese company and get paid in Vietnam, in a different currency and a much lower wage. This might also affect the US because they are losing cheap labor, for their 3 D jobs.

I think seeing this happen might rise fear amongst many other immigrants, and they might choose to leave instead of getting caught, and then deported, which again is making sure the US loses a lot of it’s labor, which will affect them either in the near or distant future, depending on the industry.

This event is important because it is showing the world how dangerous immigration can be if we tamper with the laws or illegally enter countries with strict immigration policies. It also important the Vietnam, because this could mean slowing down their development for a while, if it does affect a lot of the population there, which hopefully it won’t.

[sohee]

On Tuesday, Vietnam and American immigration authorities agreed to send back the Vietnamese immigrants in U.S., especially the Vietnamese criminals, to their own country. Base on this article, the Vietnamese are the fifth largest immigrants in U.S., and about 69% are naturalized citizens. However, this current event affected lots of Vietnamese immigrants who came to U.S. for several reasons. The reason why U.S. wants them to go back to their country is for the safety of U.S. and the humane manner, and in addition, U.S. promised to pay the money for the depurated Vietnamese immigrants from U.S.

While I was reading this article, I thought about why the Vietnam didn¡¯t disagreed with what the American immigration authorities suggested, and the answer that I think is because the Vietnam government didn¡¯t want the Americans to think about Vietnam badly. Suppose the Vietnam government disagreed to bring the Vietnamese immigrants from U.S., than the relationship between Vietnam and U.S. will become worse. If the relationship between Vietnam and U.S. become worse, then they can¡¯t trade with each other, and they can¡¯t even ask for help if the wars begin. If they can¡¯t do those things which I mentioned, then it will affect Vietnam more than U.S because U.S. is much more powerful than Vietnam, and Vietnam will need the help from U.S. more than what U.S. need from Vietnam. So in my opinion, what the Vietnam government has decided is the right decision and the better decision for their developments of the country.
When I finished reading this article, suddenly I was curious about the Vietnamese immigrants in Korea, and when I researched about it, I found out that there are lots of Vietnamese immigrants, around 20,000-30,000 in Korea too, but I couldn¡¯t find the information about how Korea deal with the Vietnamese immigrants.

In my opinion, U.S. will keep send back the Vietnamese immigrants to their country and they will not allow the Vietnamese immigrants to come to India. Then the Vietnamese, who want to get the job and work in U.S. will lost their jobs and they will look for the jobs in the other country. Then if all the Vietnamese who deported from U.S. go to the other country, then the other country will make the decision soon just like what U.S. has decided. In my opinion, this problem is the endless, and we have to find the solution for this problem.

[eunjucho]

This current is about Vietnamese deportees in the United States. According to this article, there are countless numbers of Vietnamese immigrants. In fact, Vietnam is the fifth largest country of immigrants in the United States of America. Vietnam signed a contract and that contract is about Vietnam accepting the deportees and let them come back to Vietnam. Before these people signed the contract, the United States could not send the deportees back to Vietnam because Vietnam refused to. The article says that it took about ten years to have Vietnamese agree and accept the contract. I wondered why the United States wanted to send these people back to Vietnam and I realized that the most of them were criminals and have done something wrong. That is the summary of the current event, very simple and short.

Now, these deportees have to go back to Vietnam in 60 days or so, according to the article. I think this is a huge event for both the United States and Vietnam since the negotiation was finally made over ten years. I think this is good and bad at the same time. It is good for the United States because they won¡¯t have any more problems with Vietnamese people who were convicted. In my opinion, I think it is not that good for Vietnam because more people coming to their country means more money. That should not be very bad but Vietnam refused for ten years and I think that means something is bad for them.

Again, I think the United States sending Vietnamese back is not a bad thing at all and if Vietnam does not like it. They should understand. In my opinion, if you live in somewhere else, like foreign countries, you should do something right, not wrong. I hope I don¡¯t sound so mean. I don¡¯t think stealing something in somewhere that is not where you are from is a mean thing to do. Well, there is no difference but still. Well, this is not only about convicted criminals but since the majority of the deportees are criminals, I want to say that.

In addition, I think this will affect a lot of people, kind of, because the Vietnamese deportees¡¯ lives might change a lot and start to complain because they can earn so much in the states than Vietnam. Plus, there are about 1,800 people and I think that is a lot. However, I do not think this will affect the relationship between Vietnam and the United States greatly, at least I hope not because they might benefit each other in the future or something.

Anyhow, I have some things I want to know.

-Why did it take so long to negotiate between the two countries?
-What are the exact reasons why Vietnam refused to accept the deportees back over ten years?
-What are the reasons for sending Vietnamese back, other than ¡®convicted criminals¡¯?
Those are the major things that I want to know.

However, in the future, I do not think anything really bad will happen like serious strikes and crimes caused by that. There will be some problems between deportees and the United State, though because people might not want to go back to Vietnam. But the U.S. government told these people to go back to Vietnam, nothing could be done, I guess. I hope everything goes well, honestly.

[sam]

January 27, 2008

Vietnam Agrees to the Return of Deportees From the U.S. (Response)

As immigration to the United States increases, the need for tighter migrant screening becomes more and more appropriate. Immigrants, legal or otherwise, must provide the correct requirements to enter the country. One must take into consideration not only the number of people coming to the United States, but also the occupations they will fill during their stay. The government must reserve the right to allow or restrict certain migrants from becoming part of the economy if they so choose, as well as the right to deport those who do not meet the standards. Given that so many of the migrants enter the country illegally, this is not an easy task. However, those who are caught must posses some knowledge of the risks, not to mention of their limited rights.

This article talks about how 10 whole years of communications are finally coming to an end concerning illegal immigrants. 8,000 Vietnamese are being sent back to their home country. This may sound mildly unfair to the involved; specifically the deported, but they are illegals, as well as criminals. According the article, as much as 7,000 of them have criminal convictions. These are definitely not the people America wants involved in their economy and taking up jobs in the society. The United States symbolizes the chance for a fresh start and financial stability. People should have the right to partake in such chances. However, they must also the posses the right qualifications and the proper conduct.

These people are being deported in a “safe and humane manner”, which is likely more than they were offered to travel to there. Although they are being forced back to their original point of flight, they are being done so in a humane manner. My opinions on this matter are that the American government is doing the right thing. Although another side to this can be seen, based on the Vietnamese point of view, safety and stability are of the utmost importance. The Vietnamese government is currently not allowing any travel opportunities to these people, but this might change. And even if it doesn’t, the United States still reserves their right to deport illegal immigrants, regardless of their feelings.

Although the threat is small, it is ever present, and criminals do not necessarily deserve the benefit of the doubt. Not only that, but they did not even enter the country legally. The other side of this story can be seen, but in my personal opinion, with stress on the “personal”, the right thing is being done. I do feel sympathy for those who are returning to what lives they posses in Vietnam, but they made the choice to go to the United States with the knowledge that they might be deported. Although they might not have had a better alternative, it was still done. The American government still has the right to do they have done.

[hawklim]

The people of the one country who are citizens, they have their rights to live in their own country and it is duty to sending people back to the country if they want to go back. The definition of the deportee means people who lost their rights to live in the country, somewhere they are belong to. However, if it is serious crime that will make the people as deportees, why don¡¯t the government rather execute them? On the other hand, making people as deportees it means they didn¡¯t make the crime that deals with their life. Therefore, Vietnam¡¯s choices were the right to make deportees come back to Vietnam.

To be eliminated from the country where they had been born and rose, it is a tragedy and ignominy of their pride leaving the country without their choices. What if the native people ask to deportees, ¡®what is your purpose of visit? Is it business, tour education or your future?¡¯ ¡®I have been banished from my country.¡¯ What a dishonor is that for the people and the country?

However, the sudden explosion of the size of the population of Vietnam, which is developing nation, there will be problem with the houses, money and jobs. If the deportees came back into the country with the glory that they can step their foot on the place where they actually belong, but becoming jobless and houseless beggars, what is the purpose of the effort of Vietnam to let deportees come back?

[jihyeyun]

Vietnam accepted the agreement that the country will accept Vietnamese immigrants exiled from the United State. Vietnam was refusing these people-illegal immigrants and criminals- to come back to Vietnam for last 10 years. Before, United States gave those Vietnamese six-months punishment, U.S. Supreme Court, and let them stay in U.S. since Vietnam refused to accept them.

I think this agreement is the final destination of the effort of two countries; the negotiation which was taking 10 years mush has built strong understanding of each other. People who were refused to be accept Vietnam were separated from their country in the Vietnam and suffered definitely. I think that the country should accept those returning immigrants who were deported from United States in some reasons. The reason that people just sneaking into the United States illegally is because of the dream called ¡®American dream.¡¯ After the Cold War with the Soviet Union, America successfully consolidated the image of ¡°the country of freedom and democracy,¡± which, along with the Statue of Liberty, symbolized America. Thereby, America became the land of dreams, the land of freedom, and the land of happiness. Dreamers all over the world came to America to realize their hope, making it more difficult for America to control a million different strokes for a million different peoples. Finally, America realized that boiling would not be the best way to deal with the diversity of cultures.

I have some questions, what are the some solutions of that how the government controls those Vietnamese? Are they discriminate within the society or are they treated equally as other Vietnamese? And I want to know what are those illegally immigrated Vietnamese go through the six months punishments. This article does not convey the attitude of Vietnam government towards those immigrants sent from United States. Even though they accept those and treat them harshly without any jobs aren¡¯t¡¯ given. Then, it is better to stay in United States after getting six months punishments because at least they can survive in United Stated with the payment.
I ask my self sometimes don¡¯t they actually benefits United States in a sense? and if the U.S. keeps those people and help them to step legal process and let them stay in us. They do 3-D works and they are much cheaper than the American people.
To prevent these cases of illegal immigrants to other countries, first Vietnam should become stable and create better work conditions. And Vietnamese will stay in Vietnam and bring the economic growth to the country. Thus this agreement solves the problem in U.S. sending illegal immigrants to their own countries and if the Vietnam government treats them equally as other Vietnamese, the country can have more potential to develop.

[divya]

This is an interesting but slightly confusing article. While I was reading it, I wondered how the Vietnamese immigrants landed in the United States in the first place. It is interesting how these immigrants would come to the United States and the government would then not take responsibility for them or pay for their trip back even though they are citizens of Vietnam.

I think it is a good choice for the US government to send these individuals back because they are creating headaches for the government in terms of accounting for who has legal documents and who does not and also the crime these illegal immigrants are involved in. I think the reason the immigrants engage in crime while trying to keep a low profile is because they either want to make quick money in a shady business such as drug dealing for example or they need/want to provide a certain lifestyle for themselves/family and they try to steal certain items or money. It is good that these people finally have a country to go to that they do not have to constantly be in hiding. It seems to some that the US governement is being a cruel country in deporting these people but actual on the contrary they are helping the illegals because they are giving them a home where they are not burdened by the need for documents and also they are paying for their return back. The US government has to account for their citizens first and make sure they have jobs that are not being filled by illegal immigrants.

Immigration issues in the US are a huge problem and starting with groups that are not as large a the HIspanic population, the US can also start to try and control their illegal immigration conflict slowly and hopefully peacefully. Another thing that the US is trying to avoid is criminal activity and with the current legal population already having so many issues on this matter, they do not need unaccounted people to increase the criminal activity.

It is heartening that this matter has been resolved, though 10 years is a time period that can hopefully be altered and shortened, one thing can be checked off the lists of both countries and these people can maybe start a new life without so much hardship. I personally think this deal is the right move to make and that though it may be hard for the Vietnamese to move from a place they hoped would change their lives, in the long run it is all for the best.

[rahel]

My opinion on this event is that I think it is a good idea to send the people back who are in deportation. The U.S is already full and Vietnam is losing people from there country and then they might be suffering because there are to many jobs and too little people. If Vietnam had maybe not agreed then there could have started a War or the U.S would have just got very angry. But lets not get up to that point because it won't happen or lets hope it won't. The people though who go for this deportation should not even let it go that far. But Vietnam got some sense into them and finally agreed for the deportees to return to their own country. If they had not agreed something worse might have come up and they would have regretted that.

It's almost the same with the Mexican people I think. I think there are also a lot of deportees in the U.S. So that could become worse than with Vietnam because they would refuse to go back since they do not get anything out of that. They don't earn much money nor have any good jobs. The U.S seems to me like they don't appreciate all those people coming in so now they are getting very serious about the Topic.

But I think that Vietnam did itself a good deed by excepting this. The deportees would be happy to because they would be back in their own country. But if more of these deportees come up then who knows were to go with them. Though many deportees would have wished to stay in the U.S, that is what they had aimed for. So lets hope that they don't go against their own government and start a fight. Lets just hope they are happy with this choice and just live with what they have got. If they ask for more they will have a sad future. Since they return to their own country, they should take into concideration that they can start their life from the beginning and just forget their past. Just look into the furure and try to make that better. That's what the deportees should aim for. I just wish them a good luck.........

[meehye]

;DToday, current event is short article. And this is about relationship with Vietnam and United State. In the U.S, there have lots of Vietnam people. But they are criminal people. And maybe U.S does not want to have those kinds of people who have criminal because they also do some criminal things to U.S people in U.S. And also Vietnam thinks same as U.S. So Vietnam also agrees to the deportees people. Some people are deportees from Vietnam, most of people immigrated in U.S. So Vietnam does not want that U.S is badly damaged by Vietnam people, therefore, they allow returning their deportees to their own country. And the Vietnam says that that is safe and human manner to the U.S.

I think that that is good for U.S and Vietnam, because if they won¡¯t allow returning their deportees people, so they make some trouble in U.S then U.S and Vietnam will have bad relationship between two countries. And maybe, if Vietnam does not allow to that, they will have problem with U.S then Vietnam disadvantageous their country. So they will allow that also. And of course, they have to make some their rule for deportees. They will do other country; they make big trouble that is bad for their country. So they have to make their own rule for them. I think that Vietnam did really good choice. That is good for U.S and Vietnam also, their relationship.

When I saw the some movie, some U.S people do some criminal thing but when they are going to Mexico, then U.S police cannot catch them. Also they can live normal people. However, I do not know that really this kinds of happen in our life. in this point I have question about that. Why other countries allow to live other country criminal people? If they change the rule, like criminal people cannot allow to live any other country? Why deportees country, do not make other punishment for their criminal?

[sofiekh]

I think that is good that the USA is doing something about it, and they finally got the Vietnamese government to sign. What I don’t understand is the lack of help from the Vietnamese government.
It was surprising to see how many criminal Vietnamese there is in the United States. It is good that the USA is sacrificing, and says that they will pay for the deportations of the immigrants. It took a long time to agree and that is sad, because a lot if the deportees probably lived with the fact that they would be send home next day, they would live in fear. The article says “many Vietnamese immigrants facing deportation had hoped to resolve their legal cases and stay in the United States”

American immigration reached an agreement with Vietnam: it helps Vietnamese immigrants under deportation orders to go back to Vietnam.
Vietnam agreed to accept the Vietnamese immigrants from the US. Vietnam has refused to give the deportees travel documents.
There are 8,000 Vietnamese immigrants in the USA, who is waiting to be departed to Vietnam. The United States officials are paying for the deportations of the Vietnamese people, and give the Vietnamese government 15 days notice.
Many of the deportees are trying to solve their cases so they can stay in the US.


What will they get back to in Vietnam, since they want to stay in the states?
What is some of the problems they are facing?
Why did Vietnam refuse to issue travel documents for the deportees?

[arpitav]

This current even is about the agreement between the United States and Vietnam. The agreement is saying that the United States will be/and is deporting a lot of Vietnamese immigrants back to their home country; Vietnam. What I find very confusing is why did Vietnam not issue travel permission in the first place, when these people are Vietnamese citizens? What else puzzles me is why this agreement took 10 years to actually fall into place? One more thing that jumped out at me was the fact that the U.S. in wanting to get rid of all of these illegal immigrants, they are hurting themselves in the process; they are losing out on many laborers - who are willing to do the 3D jobs that no one else wants to do. Obviously this agreement directly affects the immigrants who are being deported. But because the United States government is paying for the deportations it takes a significant financial toll on its economy and government. It also affects Vietnam’s economy. This is because the money that these people were sending back to their families in Vietnam from America is no longer there/coming in. Also the workers in Vietnam won’t be paid in US dollars; they will be paid in Vietnamese currency. The wages are also lower in Vietnam than in America. It’s also affecting Vietnam because the development of their economy might slow down due to the fact that they don’t have that incoming money for families still in Vietnam.

I think that this even is important because it’s basically highlighting how much you could lose if you try to disobey laws, or enter other countries illegally.

[devin]

It is right for the United States to send these people back to their country. Besides many of them that are coming over are convicted criminals.

Vietnam was right in agreeing with the United States to take back their own people. They belong to that country so they should have the right to go back.

Most of these people are not criminals and some of them are. Its not fair to the non-criminals that are being sent back to Vietnam. Most people that immigrate to the states intend to stay there and start a new life and get off to a good start. Now they are being politely forced back to Vietnam and most of them that go back have nothing to go back to.

This article talks about how Vietnam and the United States handled this little issue of these convicted criminals and non-criminals that are coming to the states.

-Why does the United States want the Vietnamese out of the country?

Many of the Vietnamese people that go back I bet have a hard time getting back on track and getting a job and good place to live.

[eliasse]

My opinion about this topic is that if immigrants want to move to a place to another why they can’t do it? Why the Americans should send these people back in places where they don’t have anything. I think that the collaboration between states is essential if the world wants to decrease the number of poor people.
Another cases is also happened in Europe and still today, in Albania there are many people emigrate from their country to Italy, so if they are helping these people why the American shouldn’t do the same thing?
Also on the accord between the political of both countries that begin for this cause and concluded after many years without any kinds of results, many negotiations that both states accorded were always refused so these people still remain today poor, and this kind of immigration still continue and every time that these people try to reach America are send back.
Few days ago I read an article related on this argument and while I was reading it I asked to myself these questions:
-Why these people can’t try on other places, if they can’t reach US?
-If other states are supporting immigration, why America should be different?
- Why these people are constrict to immigrate to another place?
-How the state think to continue to do this political war?, I don’t think that all of these immigrant will resist a lot if nobody do something for them.
In conclusion help each other is the best way to make connection between nations, and a develop nation should help other nation that needs of help, because in the future we don’t know what can happen, maybe one nations that before were consider develop will have the same problem that Vietnam have now, and in this case we will see if they will send back the flavor.

[miriam]

January 23, 2008

Vietnam Agrees to the Return of Deportees From the U.S.
By JULIA PRESTON


Overall this article deals with the deportation of Vietnamese from the U.S. back to Vietnam, and the Vietnam government agreeing with the United States to do so. It describes how, in my opinion, the United States are taking things into their own hands and informing the Vietnamese government about their plans, once they have figured some out, so that all they have to do is say yes or no. The United States officials even ‘agreed to pay for the deportations of Vietnamese, officials said, and to provide 15 days’ notice to the Vietnamese government before carrying out a deportation.’ The main reason for that, I believe, is the fact that America wants to get these Deportees out of their country as soon as possible, which is quite understandable as ‘about 8,000 Vietnamese immigrants in the United States are in deportation proceedings or have received final orders to be deported, Ms. Nantel said. Of those, she said, about 7,000 have criminal convictions, including some 4,500 Vietnamese convicted of aggravated felonies.’ Unfortunately, out of these 8,000 Vietnamese immigrants, which are scheduled for deportation, ‘only about 200 Vietnamese immigrants slated for deportation are in the custody of immigration authorities’.

Personally, it would really interest me to know what kind of agreement it was that cleared ‘the way for Vietnamese immigrants under deportation orders to be sent back to their country’, partly as it is not elaborated on in further detail in this article. At first I was confused to learn that an “agreement” would be needed for Vietnamese immigrants to return to their home country as I assumed that this was precisely what a deportation order demands. However, as I read on it came to my attention that ‘Because of a Supreme Court ruling in 2001, the authorities have released immigrants under deportation orders after six months in detention if their countries would not accept them.’

What I would find most interesting to know would be how the ‘about 8,000 Vietnamese immigrants’, especially the ‘about 7,000’ the ‘have criminal convictions, including some 4,500 Vietnamese convicted of aggravated felonies’ managed to reach the united states in the first place, as this article does not stress this point, or even mention it, whatsoever. It would have been nice if the article had been clearer upon this point.